Darn War

It is nauseating learning how people attack each other these days because of the upcoming war issue. I say upcoming because somehow I believe there is going to be a war, no matter how many times or how many millions of people go on the streets asking for peaceful solutions to the Iraqi conflict. It is not that I don’t have faith, but rather I know how difficult it is to stop the war machinery of the U.S. and its supporters.

People who support war are saying we peace supporters haven’t said anything against Saddam Hussein and that we agree with his regime of terror. Personally? No, I don’t. I think the man is dangerous, for his own people, not for the U.S., and I know something has to be done, but this war has nothing to do with the attacks on the Kurds, or the children that are dying, or the gas murders. No, this war is not to free Iraq and no one will convince me of anything different; but I won’t discuss that part because I don’t want to repeat what you can simply read everywhere in the news.

I’m against the war, not because I love Saddam Hussein or because I think his actions should go unnoticed. No. I’m against this war for the same reason many people are against it: The destabilization of the Middle East region, the generation and professionalizing of terrorism that will come as a consequence, the fact that this preemptive action is more part of a plan to serve the interests of people, rather than protect countries.

No, I don’t like Saddam. But I don’t like the way the U.S. and its allies want to deal with him, by bringing the whole world to a catastrophe of unthinkable magnitude. And I admire those countries that, for any or other reason, try to find diplomatic solutions, not to help Saddam, but to avoid things to get worse.

And yes, it would be great if we peace supporters start asking Saddam Hussein to cooperate more, ask him personally, instead of just bashing Bush and Blair. Because the future of this war is on his hands too. And from there… maybe we can start asking all the unfair leaders of the world to do something.

Or maybe, I should just shut up.

Well said Bea :wink: I wish you wouldn’t worry about saying what you want. We are free to say whatever we please here in Canada. The fact will always remain that Iraq did not attack the u.s. and the u.s. attacking Iraq is WRONG!! I believe the little idiot is also the third and final anti-christ and when he attacks Iraq without provocation that will be the final war. I hate the little idiot and I hate everyone who selected him!!

WOW!! you hate everyone that voted for him?? Hate is a terrible thing, I know we stand on different views, but me saying that I hate you for being uneducated about the war issue and Mr Bush would be WRONG! The trouble with the world is the Hate that people have for each other.. Have a great week

Saddam helped the terrorists that attacked the USA on Sept 11. I am so very sad that our neighbor Canada has abandoned us. We would have stood by you if it had happened to you.

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. It was Osama or so they say :wink: I will change hate to despise Jerry :smile:

In the words of a woman who lived in Iraq & now lives in America …

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-al-suwaij18feb18,1,4084222.story

… hope you’ll read it.

*HUGS Bea*

I agree with Bea COMPLETELY on this one. And for the record, Iraq has NOTHING to do with 9/11. That’s what the U.S. media has told us. Please be more aware by reading other sources outside of our own brainwashing country. In fact, there is STILL no proof that Al Qaeda or Bin Laden had anything to do with it. Until we find the real perpetrators, we should not go around bombing other countries in our petty assumptions. And this is speaking from a fellow American who does NOT feel our Canadian neighbor has abandoned us.

In every country there are people who adore their leader and there are people who hate their leader. I don’t doubt that there are many who hate Bush and there are many who adore him. I also don’t doubt that there are many in Iraq who hate Saddam, but there are also those who adore him. To simply say that all of Iraq want him down is a fallacy. If we think that way, then we should also be allowed to say “We want Bush down because many people want him down in the U.S.”

This war has nothing to do with Iraq’s people, or the weapons of mass destruction. This war is only for the purposes of the Bush regime. Get it right.

Thanks for speaking up, Bea. Please please feel free to extend your feelings because I would love to hear them. :)

who is to say your media is not brainwashing you against the US ??? if it works against us, it could also work against you..correct?

don’t ever shut up. speak your mind - you have a lot of great things to say and people should hear it.

as for my stance - it’s complicated. i will merely say that i disagree with war.

Jerry - I’m saying my media is brainwashing me against Iraq. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m reading other medias to formulate my own opinions. At least we agree on one thing: media anywhere is brainwashing everyone. If we read all media, then at least we’d be able to come up with a clearer understanding of where everyone stands, no? :)

Bea - I’d love to hear more of what you have to say on this. :)

maggie-dont be so ignorant to go around hating people because of their opposite views, or just because maybe someone voted for someone who you might be against *roll eyes* you may hate bush, fine… but dont go as far as to try and insult everyone else because of that … thats ignorant and stupid …

as for the issue on hand -

saddam had nothing to do with 9-11 is true … thats the media and bush wanting us to believe that so he can have an even better excuse to go to war.

but for my opinion, for the reasons bush wants to go to war, i only agree partially with it. all the reasons he has given, i dont think justifies going to war. but i think saddam should be removed from iraq. bush SR should have finished what he started in the first gulf war. not only that, he has undermined the authority of the UN for the past decade and thinks its a joke. i dont think he has WMD right now, but i believe he is working on it. just with inspections, he is probably hidden it very well.

also, some may say that NK is a threat. i know some anti-war people use this as one of their basis for not going to war. but i dont believe this to be true. NK isnt much of a threat. all NK is talk, but thats all it is, just TALK. Kim Dae Jong II is just like his father. used talk and the nuclear issue as a form of diplomacy.

Guess you’re one comment short Jason. If you read all the comments before going off you’ll see that I corrected hate to despise. I am very much allowed to have this opinion here in Canada. Up here we are welcome to say whatever we want. If freedom of speech means ignorant and stupid to you…well…you have my condolences. Unlike you, I have not badmouthed anyone in particular in regard to this topic, unlike yourself.

when did i say you cant have an opinion … im just saying that juding some people based on one person is ignorant … hypothetical: if i think that all anti-abortion people are dangerous and murderers just because maybe one or two people went and attacked an abortion clinic, am i right in my conclusion? its like racism/discrimination, you go and base your decision based one one little thing.

and i have not badmouthed you … all i said is that its ignorant and stupid to base one’s opinion about alot of people based on one person … as i said above, if i meet 10 stupid people who happen to be asian, does that mean all asian people are stupid?

Of course Saddam is a danger to not only USA, but every “Free” country in the world, does no one recall how people didn’t believe Hitler was a danger? What happened then?

that hitler argument is a good argument …

but as of now, he really isnt a danger as bush makes him out to be … at least not now .. but at the same time, why do nations build weapons? as a deterrant, as the US and Soviets did during the cold war? or as an offensive? those are the only 2 reasons these bombs are built … they dont build them for fun, thats for sure …. if you look at iraq, if they NEVER invaded kuwait, never went after Nucs/chem/bio weapons, would the US be in the position they are now? no.. now, who else would want to attack them? no one … so why else would iraq want to develop these weapons….not really as a deterrant as we are the only country to really want to attack them … so yea, the hitler argument is a good argument .. but i dont think saddam is that far, YET ..

there are good arguments on both sides …. but for me, its gotten to the point to where you either stop this war talk the US has been doing and attack them and get this over now, or lay off and let the inspections go on (maybe something along the lines of the canadian solution they proposed) ….

Jason, you make very valid points. I like those. I also like Cathy’s points. Heh.

I pretty much agree with Jason’s view that there should be something done about Saddam. I believe he’s a dangerous man, but I don’t believe it’s the duty of the U.S. to see the end of him and Iraq (because well, as we all know, 95% of the weapons Saddam has were sold to them by the U.S., so I think that if the U.S. wants to call Saddam evil for having weapons, they should look at themselves and ask why they sold it to him in the first place). I want to see Saddam go down, but with support of the U.N.

I also agree that Saddam is not as dangerous as Hitler (as of now). Hitler had the 3rd Reich behind him, as well as massive followers. Saddam has a whole world that is very willing to see him step down. Very unlikely that he will be able to get to a place where Hitler was, with or without this U.S.-lead war.

What I don’t agree to is how the U.S. is dealing with North Korea. I don’t believe NK will use these weapons that they keep threatening to use, but if the U.S. is so concerned about Iraq having weapons, they should be dealing with NK first, who openly admitted to having them first and even threatening to use them. Although NK may not be a “valid” threat, they should not just wave a finger at them and say, “Hold on a minute, we’re busy.” :P

with NK, the US knows its all talk. Kim Dae Jong II is just like his dad, and used open threats as a form of diplomacy. only problem is, in this post-9/11 era, that kind of diplomacy will hardly work, if it at all. it was a sad day when his dad died, because he was working to just stop all the nucs development, and maybe was even thinking about opening up his country. NK knows not to attack anyone. unlike iraq, if NK does anything, in the form of attacking, they would be against the whole world. but then again, i dont think they would. for NK, alot of it has to do with their pride. they had to buckle once and accept humanitarian aid, and they didnt exactly like doing that. and now that its even worse, and the US stopped helping them, its only a matter of time before something happens. all NK cares about is the survival of the regime. and they know that by attacking or anything like that, itll be the end of it. so thats why i believe alot of what comes out of NK is just all talk.

itll be interesting to see how this NK plays out. NK knows what its doing, and is using the iraq situation to hopefully get their way. either that, or their using the situation, knowing that the US’ main focus is on iraq, so by publicizing it now, they wont be in as much “trouble” as they would if the iraq situation wasnt here. i think iran is doing that too.

both being on their “best behavior” kinda thing.

i do have to say, that this is a good article …

http://www.msnbc.com/news/882295.asp?0cv=CB20

if you want iraq to disarm, you have to show that your serious (unlike the past 12 years) … i dont think i could say it any better than the article …. without what the US is doing, UN inspections wouldnt even be going on right now … so to anyone who says that the US should pull out right now and let inspections go, think again about the reason that inspections are going right now in the first place !

besides, as i heard it said before:

inspections arent meant to disarm, its meant to prove disarmament …. if they arent disarmed, the inspections are to help the country disarm .. but even so, without full cooperation from the country and a serious willingness to disarm, full, complete disarmament will never happen.